It is possible that they returned, secretly, to their own country estate where they could obtain all the provisions—including seeds—that they needed, without foraging into the countryside and taking anything that did not belong to them. of the rod of iron; [I have seen this in vision and one detail I noticed was that as they grabbed hold their bodies are filled with light. Verse 1: it seems clear that they lived in the Valley for quite some time.  1 Nephi 10:1-22. 1 Nephi 6. 18 And it came to pass that I saw them, [In our visions we see that which we desire to look upon.] [The mist of darkness can be many things: unbelief, false traditions, philosophies of men, temptation to sin, doubt, depression, etc. This is often the pattern for those seeking divine guidance. L'OEUVRE MEDIATRICE DE LA NOUVELLE ALLIANCE Ch. which came along by the rod of iron, even to the tree by which I stood; and it also led by the head of the fountain, unto a large and spacious field, as if it had been a world. Any idea why the rod is made of iron? [A vision is often similar to a daylight dream, where you are awake yet seeing something in the Spirit.]. 1 Nephi 8 – 1 Nefi 8 1 And it came to pass that we had gathered together all manner of seeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”, When reading this part of the vision we assume that it was a simple glance to the spacious building, an embarrassed feeling, and then to throw it all away to follow Satan. 1 And it came to pass that we had gathered together all manner of seeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind. This labyrinth makes the whole book worthwhile. Article L1242-8-1. Does it change our physical and/or spiritual body? Reading Nephi – 8:1-8. by James Olsen • December 2, 2015 • 3 Comments. This is not how this should be interpreted. What is it about the fruit that makes it so special? There is another implication here: sacks of seeds are heavy. [the world]. 1 Nephi 14. [The Adversary often deceives us as a being of light. Modifié par Ordonnance n°2017-1387 du 22 septembre 2017 - art. 13 And as I cast my eyes round about, that perhaps I might discover my family also, I beheld a river of water; and it ran along, and it was near the tree of which I was partaking the fruit. 36 And it came to pass after my father had spoken all the words of his dream or vision, which were many, he said unto us, because of these things which he saw in a vision, he exceedingly feared for Laman and Lemuel; yea, he feared lest they should be cast off from the presence of the Lord. 1 Nephi 17. Such things occur slowly over time and result in act of complete rejection of their vows. Si vous devez installer ou réinstaller Windows 8.1, vous pouvez utiliser les outils proposés sur cette page pour créer votre propre média d’installation à l’aide d’un disque mémoire flash USB ou d’un DVD. 1 Nephi 8 - Online Resources for teachers and leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We should gather truth wherever we find it and use prudence to apply what is good to our lives. Are there truths that explain things that we can learn from if one is careful to check for their truthfulness? 1 Nephi 16. Nephi and His Asherah: A Note on 1 Nephi 11:8-23. This labyrinth makes the whole book worthwhile. Are there words of comfort you can offer to parents whose children don’t choose Christ? I too have had dreams that make me deeply question the future and my relationships, that do not simply manifest but engender worry and joy. ( Log Out / Often, we are allowed to be deceived that we may know the good from the evil.] I know many who are baptized who fall away. It always stuck with me until just now you pointing out they never entered the building but just refused the fruit. 3 And behold, because of the thing which I have seen, I have reason to rejoice in the Lord because of Nephi and also of Sam; for I have reason to suppose that they, and also many of their seed, will be saved. For some, it is to have an experience where they see the Savior in a dream or day vision, but that in itself does not guarantee that one has received the gift of the Holy Ghost. [They had brought various dried fruit and grains. Nephi₁’s vision of “a virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins” who was “the mother of God, after the manner of the flesh” (1 Nephi 11:15, 18; 1830 edition) is connected to Lehi₁’s vision of a “a tree, whose fruit was desirable to make one happy” (1 Nephi 8:10). PR], When you say that “no person, once having grabbed hold of the rod fails to come to the tree” – does this mean that everyone will begin to taste of the gift of charity after having grabbed the rod (received the Holy Ghost) or do you mean that everyone who has received the Holy Ghost (entered their 3rd estate) will ultimately make their way to Christ – either in this life or the next??? Interestingly it was also partaking of the fruit that led to the fall. They would surely have included dates (see the commentary for 1 Nephi 8:1). I used to think it was symbolic. S Silver says: December 10, 2018 at 2:13 am. Does it look like cast iron or is it polished and smooth? Along with the camel, the Arabs consider the date to be one of God's greatest gifts to them. What are these activities in real life that people engage in? I too have had dreams that make me deeply question the future and my relationships, that do not simply manifest but engender worry and joy. ← Lehi’s Dream – 1 Nephi 8:1-38. [See the commentary on Lehi's dream of the Tree of Life -- 1 Nephi 8] 1 Nephi 1:4 Lehi (Illustration): Potsherd found in 1938 on the Gulf of Aqaba, dating from approximately the time of Lehi, and bearing the name Lehi (from BASOR, #80, 1940). “Pressing forward” are those who are seeking truth. Nero 126.96.36.199 0 out of 5 based on 0 ratings. . More hints into the meaning behind this: 2 Timothy 1:7-9, 1 John 2:28. “Three Days and Three Nights: Reassessing Jesus’s Entombment.” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 17, no. When I saw this my eyes were more focused on the people and what they were doing than the details of the rod. This doesn’t describe the full picture of becoming a son of perdition. 26 And I also cast my eyes round about, and beheld, on the other side of the river of water, [The barrier between God and Satan.] ], 32 And it came to pass that many were drowned in the depths of the fountain; [overcome by Satan’s temptation.] I wonder why it is always the fruit that symbolizes something great to desire. Or was it tailored to the one having the vision with different emphasis and details? I did not see all of Lehi’s dream. 1 Nephi 13. 1 Néphi 8 . Are these things to be avoided? Nephi Desires to See – 1 Nephi 10:1-22 → An Epic Record – 1 Nephi 9:1-6. Lehi felt emotionally exhausted as well because of what he learned about Egypt and the fate of his people. Like Liked by 1 person. He began to feel the need for God’s help. And He appeared to the survivors of this catastrophe. However, after they partake of the fruit if they are tempted to seek after Satan’s kingdom they will fall. If they did not, this may be evidence of other times when the boys left camp. It seems that when we receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost that we are also bestowed with the gift of charity (begin to partake of the pure love of Christ which he has for us and for others). The seeds, tents, and people all suggest we are seeing a large and well equipped caravan. (3 Nephi 8:1).” KnoWhy 413 (March 6, 2018). If they did not, this may be evidence of other times when the boys left camp. This means that we are now receiving revelation for ourselves and rely upon no man to teach us but the Lord. Yes, these are 4th estate, but as I’ve said before, a person does not accidentally, by simply jumping to the other side, becomes a son of perdition after tasting of the fruit. 38 And after he had preached unto them, and also prophesied [spoke by the Spirit of God] unto them of many things, he bade them to keep the commandments of the Lord; and he did cease speaking unto them. 3 Nephi 8:11–12 I can’t even fathom imagining losing one of my children spiritually forever. 20 And I also beheld a strait and narrow path, [This path represents the commandments, the church, and all things which can help guide us in our journey.] You said it’s a real tangible thing. Are there laws in heaven that allow righteous parents to advocate before the Father for their wayward children? 1 Nephi 5. PR]. which led unto the tree by which I stood. [This the manner of those of perdition, as they mock and plot against the servants of God. 1 Nephi 22 [Various religions of the world. If the tree is Jesus, and the fruit is eternal life, then we are not talking about a 2nd comforter experience here, are we? Thank you for the time you take to share this information! I was told that hope is not lost for Laman and Lemuel. KnoWhys KnoWhys on 1 Nephi 8 KnoWhys on 1 Nephi 9 KnoWhys on 1 Nephi 10 Recommended Resources Learn about the Book of Mormon with verse by verse commentaries from renowned Book of Mormon scholars like John W. Welch and Brant A. Gardner in the ScripturePlus app. ], 24 And it came to pass that I beheld others pressing forward, and they came forth and caught hold of the end [Always start at the end, not the middle.] Book of Mormon Central. This is received however the Lord gives it to us, whether directly or through scripture, or another.] Nephi reports that they gathered “all manner of seeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind.” (1 Nephi 8:1). 1 Nephi 21 – Isaiah 49. After partaking of the fruit myself, my greatest desire would be for my spouse and my children also to partake (unless they beat me to it :)). [As we pray for deliverance we are blessed. 4 But behold, Laman and Lemuel, I fear exceedingly because of you; for behold, methought I saw in my dream, a dark and dreary wilderness. ], 12 And as I partook of the fruit thereof it filled my soul with exceedingly great joy; [exquisite love and joy] wherefore, I began to be desirous that my family should partake of it also; for I knew that it was desirable above all other fruit. 1 Nephi 21. ], 8 And after I had traveled for the space of many hours in darkness, [Lehi’s vision was leading nowhere, as he struggled to see. Contents. Introduction; Witnesses; Preserve the Righteous; Hidden Records; 1 Nephi. I have eaten of this fruit and it is as Lehi describes. Learn how your comment data is processed. Unless they made covenants with Satan, there is a path to redemption. 1 Nephi 12:6 Then Nephi saw t he Lamb of God “descending out of heaven” same as Revelation 21:10. 1 Nephi 9-10. 1 Nephi 8:1 — The Families Gather Seeds. 1 Nephi 12. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! [The fruit is Eternal Life, which is given to those who receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, but not fully realized until they ascend to the Third Heaven. My vision of the Tree of Life had different details, some were the same, some things they saw I didn’t. You should seek a revelation regarding those details if you wish to know. If the tree is Jesus, and the rod is revelation towards personal commandments, then how can it be that all who grab the iron rod make it to the tree? This is one more evidence that they had camels. [Church of the Devil] And after they did enter into that building they did point the finger of scorn at me and those that were partaking of the fruit also; but we heeded them not. The Lord told me this is the Gift of the Holy Ghost. They looked at the spacious building and desire it? The word “ashamed” is more than to be embarrassed. He would reason and preach to his sons patiently.]. ( Log Out / Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. 25 And after they had partaken of the fruit of the tree they did cast their eyes about as if they were ashamed. In this is a mystery. Nephi mentions none of these, being concerned that we know only of the leaders of the party. An Epic Record – 1 Nephi 9:1-6 → 18 Responses to Lehi’s Dream – 1 Nephi 8:1-38. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. 8 à 10 :39 Chapitre 8. [The beginning of the true vision. ], 10 And it came to pass that I beheld a tree, [representing Christ] whose fruit was desirable to make one happy. Lehi is such an amazing man. Without the date, one of the few foodstuffs that do not perish in the heat of the desert, those making long desert journeys would have little to eat. 1 Nephi 10:8 - 1 Nephi 10:22 _____ 1 Nephi 10:8 Yea, even he should go forth and cry in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, and make his paths straight; for there standeth one among you whom ye know not; and he is mightier than I, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 17 And it came to pass that I was desirous that Laman and Lemuel should come and partake of the fruit also; wherefore, I cast mine eyes towards the head of the river, that perhaps I might see them. Nephi had not mentioned seeds before this time, and they may not have brought them when they left Jerusalem. We will read all about this when we study 3 Nephi 8. The field is leading to the purpose of the vision. Read this week's KnoWhy connected with the Come Follow Me curriculum, and watch a video elucidating an insight in I like this additional insight in verse 30: (at the feet of Christ) …they did press their way forward, continually holding fast to the rod of iron, until they came forth and fell down (Second Comforter) [at the feet of Christ] and partook of the fruit of the tree. [become sons or daughters of perdition], 29 And now I, Nephi, do not speak all the words of my father. Is it a dark iron color or is it lighter? I have great fondness for this visionary man. Tweet; Nero 188.8.131.52. 2 And the angel saith unto me, what beholdest thou? Thanks . We can be sure that they did not go out into the wilderness to find their seeds, because the seeds he describes are all of domestic plants—the kind that one would find on a well-stocked landed estate. The key is to ask and discover the meaning to the dream.]. A-A; A+; 1 Né 11-15 La version de Néphi de la vision de l'arbre de vie. Why do we need to actually partake? <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>, The Book of Mormon as an Ancient Israelite Temple, 1 Nephi 4:6-8 — LeGrand Baker — Laban and the Apostasy. 1 Né 8:2 Le rêve de Léhi. . 5 And it came to pass that I saw a man, and he was dressed in a white robe; and he came and stood before me. 1 Nephi 1. [Those who have received the gift of the Holy Ghost (grabbed hold of the rod) cannot be lost. That would have required camel drivers and probably an armed escort made up of Lehi and Ishmael’s servants. Il a fait l’objet de chants, de peintures et d’une multitude de discussions sur l’Évangile. Change ). And I said I behold many nations and kingdoms. Reading Nephi – 8:1-8. by James Olsen • December 2, 2015 • 3 Comments. 1 Nephi 2. PR]. ]” Can you talk more about this? “How Can We Know What to Believe about Joseph Smith’s Personal Character? and it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth. 1 Nephi 8:1 E adveniva que nos habeva recolligite omne sorta de semines de omne specie, de cereales de omne specie e anque de semines de fructos de omne specie. Is being “filled with this love” that Moroni speaks of different than partaking of the “fruit of the tree of life”, which also represents the “love of God”? 1 And it came to pass that we had gathered together all manner of seeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind. 37 And he did exhort them then with all the feeling of a tender parent, that they would hearken to his words, that perhaps the Lord would be merciful to them, and not cast them off; yea, my father did preach unto them. Was there anything about it’s visual portrayal that held symbolism? [The fruit itself plays an important role in the Everlasting Covenant.]. Perhaps you’ve posted something on this previously. I don’t think there are that many people reaching the tree (Jesus and a 2nd comforter experience) let alone who then fall away to the world. 1 Nephi 8:1 1 And it came to pass that we had gathered together all manner of seeds of every kind, both of grain of every kind, and also of the seeds of fruit of every kind. [Eternal Life], 11 And it came to pass that I did go forth and partake of the fruit thereof; and I beheld that it was most sweet, above all that I ever before tasted. [Various religions of the world.]. The seeds of the fruit will become a part of you and make room for you to plant your own tree in the Garden of Heaven as you prepare to make way for your own posterity. 21 And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were pressing forward, that they might obtain the path [Those who seek the path will find it.] PR], In verse 32: “and many were lost from his view, wandering in strange roads. If Nephi is influenced by the Wisdom tradition, then reading 1 Nephi 1:2–3 15 — indeed reading all of Nephi’s writings — through the lens of ancient Near Eastern Wisdom literature may open the records [Page 284] of the Book of Mormon in new and fruitful ways. How do these other religions, that seem to have been around forever, fit into the big picture? “21 And I saw numberless concourses of people, many of whom were pressing forward, that they might obtain the path [Those who seek the path will find it.]”. Seeds of Fruit: While journeying in the wilderness, Lehi dreams about a dark and dreary wilderness and a tree of life. The Second Comforter means different things to people. Nephi records this dream and Lehi's ensuing concern for his children in 1 Nephi 8, beginning with verse 2. 1 Nephi 8:1 All Manner of Seeds of Every Kind: Hugh Nibley claims that Lehi's party took grain with them and "all manner of seed of every kind" (1 Nephi 8:1). It said that “The building stood in the air” no solid foundation. Cummings, David B. 27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; [Many levels in Satan’s realm.] . 1 Nephi Chapter 8 « Previous Next » Book of Mormon Annotations; Chapter 8 . I would advise that you not read the additional books unless you have read “How to Have Your Second Comforter” and are comfortable with the content. . Until we learn this important lesson we are vulnerable to the confusion and temptations that may befall us as we walk the path. 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